<Helmut> Greetings back: lots of sunshine it is hot! <andy_k> Hi Helmut, i've read your letter just a minute ago ;-) <Tilmann> Nice to see you all at this conference! <Helmut> Hi Stefan Nitschke! <Beery> Hi Stefan <stefan> hello all <Tilmann> Did you check the GIDE prototype yet? <andy_k> Hi Stefan <Tilmann> <Helmut> Tilmann, we just returned from Hal Bowers lecture on the CHEPLAN <andy_k> Hi Tilmann, nice to see/hear from you <Helmut> CHEAPLAN <stefan> what s a GIDE prototype <Tilmann> It's the prototype PCB of my newest IDE interface-... <Helmut> The ZSDOS is unfortunately needed for that, but the rest is like <Helmut> the club/80 net <Tilmann> GIDE stands for "Generic IDE", which plugs directly... <andy_k> Hi Beery, you're ne of the US CPM users? <Tilmann> into any Z80 CPU socket and connects to any IDE drive. <stefan> sounds nice <Helmut> I just bought a 40MB IDE drive to be able to demonstrate ** <Michael Crafton> is here. <Tilmann> Is Herb Johnson there at the Festival? <andy_k> hi michael <Beery> Andy, i'm one of the folks that runs this RoundTable here in the states. <Helmut> Herb Johnson has not reported <Michael Crafton> Hello All!!! <Beery> Hello Michael. Room 1, CP/M Discussions. Job State Room Sta GE Mail Name 1 TN 1 L BW.MILLER Beery 2 1 N H.JUNGKUNZ Helmut 3 CA 1 N B.KIBLER TCJ 4 MD 1 N PRESS-40 Tilmann 5 MD 1 N PRESS-30 andy_k 6 MD 1 N GUEST-11 stefan 7 NV 1 N M.CRAFTON2 Michael Crafton <Helmut> Hi Michael!!! ** <Ludo> was <Helmut>. <TCJ> Herb said he would be selling not talking.... <andy_k> helmut, you bought one? i've one here, you know the alt-386 one. <Michael Crafton> Hello Beery and Helmut <Tilmann> Hi Ludo! Nice you are here! <Tilmann> Did you get the software from Helmut? <Ludo> Hello Toilmann <andy_k> Hi Ludo <Tilmann> (I'm talking about the SYS1.13 for the CPU280) <stefan> whats about alexander schmid <TCJ> Jay will be sending it soon <Ludo> Any coments yewt on the IDETEST routine? over <Beery> Short Announcement: This is Michael's first appearance in a RTC as OFFICIAL CP/M RoundTable Staff. Welcome aboard Michael. <Tilmann> Sorry, not enough time yet... I will work on it ASAP. ** <Tilmann> disconnected. <Michael Crafton> Thanks Beery! :) <stefan> Any one hre in the RTC interrested in UZI280 ? ** <Helmut> was <Ludo>. <TCJ> I am sure some readers are interested in UZI280... <Beery> Hello Ludo. <Helmut> Stefan, I sent Ludo your complete disk set, he was impressed ** <Ludo> was <Helmut>. <Michael Crafton> Not sure what one is, stefan <Beery> Can you tell us a little more about it Stefan? ** <Tilmann> is here. <Ludo> Stefsan. I intend to gert into UZI some time... <stefan> UZI280 is a unix clone runnig on the reh-design cpu280 <Tilmann> Sorry, my modem lost contact due to the heat swithcing off... <andy_k> An adapted UZI for 280? <Ludo> Lots of other things to do and so little time! over <Tilmann> Now I'm back - was there anything relevant meanwhile? Room 1, CP/M Discussions. Job State Room Sta GE Mail Name 1 TN 1 L BW.MILLER Beery 2 1 N H.JUNGKUNZ Ludo 3 CA 1 N B.KIBLER TCJ 5 MD 1 N PRESS-30 andy_k 6 MD 1 N GUEST-11 stefan 7 NV 1 N M.CRAFTON2 Michael Crafton 8 MD 1 N PRESS-40 Tilmann ** <Ken Owen> was <Ludo>. <stefan> UZI280 is a special version for the z280 <Tilmann> What about testing the GIDE prototype at the Festival? <Beery> Hello Ken. Wondering why you weren't here until I realized you were at the festival. <Tilmann> This is really of interest for me! ** <Helmut Will do so later> was <Ken Owen>. ** <Ken Owen> was <Helmut Will do so later>. <Tilmann> This is a very nice name Helmut! <G> <Ken Owen> Yes, sometimes I lose it and do something stupid like driving... <TCJ> Helmut please check it out as my deadline is end of month and Tilmann has to article to me on time... <stefan> Beside is some one here you can give me source code of vde(zde)and other nice programms .. <Ken Owen> 700 miles for a 'yard sale'! <Ken Owen> <stefan> to do an uzi280 porting ? <Tilmann> Don't worry about the article - I am already working on it,... <Tilmann> and the drawings are completed already... <TCJ> good and thanks... <Tilmann> BTW, Greetings to Bill! <TCJ> how about the cheap lan...any good??? <Tilmann> Bill, did you think of the LittleNet adaptor,... <TCJ> Ask him I fI can use his readme file in the next issue... <Ken Owen> The CHEAPLAN is only an item for ZSDOS unfortunately. But talk to the man <Tilmann> or of something else= <Ken Owen> himself <andy_k> ** <Hal Bower> was <Ken Owen>. <TCJ> Tilmann you cheap net is great and much like soem we might build ourself.. <Hal Bower> Guten Abend fuer unsere Deutschen Komeraden <Tilmann> I have some drawings ready for the next TCJ ... <andy_k> Danke :-) <TCJ> my company uses rs485 exclusively, so I know the problems well.... <Tilmann> showing the placement and artwork of the LittleNet PCB. <TCJ> sound great... <Tilmann> Guten Abend, Hal! <Hal Bower> This design was originally done in Germany where I was stationed, CSMA/CD <andy_k> How many people are sitting round Helmut's account? 5, .... 20? <TCJ> <stefan> oh nun sind wir bie Deutsch angekommen <Hal Bower> about ten at the present time. <Tilmann> We're not using Helmut's account... <TCJ> so it must be based on regular net principles... <Tilmann> We have temporary accounts (press accounts) ... <Tilmann> for the time of this conference. <andy_k> Tilmann, i'know, but Helmut's changing all the time :-) <Hal Bower> From Jay Sage: run /stat to see real accounts. <Tilmann> Ok, right, I also noticed that... <Beery> The Press accounts I think expire at the end of the month, so feel free to grab whatever you want from the libraries, etc. <Hal Bower> Yes instead of multiple log ins <Beery> If you care to leave a few posts in the bulletin board, your welcome to do that too. <Tilmann> Sorry, I'm not used to GEnie ... <andy_k> Nice hint, is there more on Genie than on the Internet?? ** <Helmut> was <Hal Bower>. <Tilmann> and the phone costs would be much higher ... <Tilmann> than using my Internet access via University in Siegen... <Helmut> Now people youi missed your chance to ask Halk Bower on CHEAPLAN] <Tilmann> So I don't think this would make much sense ... <Tilmann> for me to grab anything from GEnie's libraries. <Beery> guess not. <TCJ> did he say yes to using his readme in the next issue??? <Helmut> EVERYBODY: please tell state and city you call from! <Beery> Memphis, TN <Helmut> Full names <Tilmann> Siegen, in the middle of Germany, Europe <stefan> Woessingen , germany <TCJ> Lincolc/Newcastle CA. USA... <andy_k> Munich, Germany <Michael Crafton> I hope to be moving files from OAK.OAKLAND.EDU here soon. <Helmut> Trenton, New Jersey <Michael Crafton> Carson City, Nevada ** <Blair Groves> was <Helmut>. <Tilmann> Nothing more to discuss??? <Tilmann> What's happening on the Festival?? Nothing?? <andy_k> Short conference <Beery> What all seminars were held today? <Blair Groves> Does anyone know anything about GSX? <Michael Crafton> Well hello Blair. long time no messages? <stefan> Oh of course. who is interrested in doing some work on uzi280 ? <Tilmann> I know few people who know some details about GSX ... <Blair Groves> Well, I have been distracted by evil big blue computers lately. (ugghh!!) <Tilmann> unfortuneately I'm not one of them . :-) <andy_k> Interressted, yes. Time hmmm, i need the software called Time-Doubler :-) <Michael Crafton> Blair, still have your 806? <stefan> Time should not be the problem <Tilmann> For doubling any time, half the clock!! <G> <andy_k> Did you think this? <Blair Groves> I'm not currently running the BBS due to a hard disk failure. Haven't had time to get it working yet again. <stefan> I hope so <andy_k> Halfing the clock, with an axe?? <Beery> Or cut the frequency of the current to the clock in half. <Tilmann> I'd use a saw to cut the quartz crystal in half ... <Tilmann> this will also half the frequency ... <G> <Michael Crafton> Blair, my 816 hard disk system died on me, and now running a 806 for my BBS. <andy_k> Bad advice, i'm using a mechanical watch. ** <Blair Groves> disconnected. <andy_k> Tilmann, what's about the functionality of GIDE? <Tilmann> The prototype worked fine at my test computer, ... ** <Blair Groves> is here. <Blair Groves> Sorry about that abrupt departure! <Tilmann> #a Triumph Alphatronic PC-8. <andy_k> What test computer <Michael Crafton> Tilmann, I wonder if sawing my crystal in half will get me doulble speed? :) <Tilmann> I think it should run well on about any Z80 based computer. <andy_k> nice pc, we've six in school with a Veeery slooooow BASIC (from MicroSoft) :-) <Tilmann> Was there any other SLOOOOOW BASIC around ? <Blair Groves> Well, Michael, I preffer the 806 due to the floppy drive that the 816 doesn't have. Would be nice to integrate one to the 816 motherboard. <stefan> of course the apple basic <andy_k> no, but this slooow one is now implemented/integrated in every application VBA etc. >;-> <Michael Crafton> Blair, but I liked the tape backup that the 816 has. <Tilmann> BTW, meanwhile there are about 50+ people who have ... <Tilmann> expressed their interest in the GIDE PCB, so I will surely make a run soon! <Blair Groves> I know... but I have been using a TS-806C tape drive with my 806 for some time, and it seems fairly good. Too bad they didn <Michael Crafton> Blair, besides that 802 has the floppy drives. ** <Blair Groves> disconnected. <Tilmann> My screen looks really interesting ... <Tilmann> I have local echo enabled since my modem software ... <Tilmann> doesn't support split screens for input and output. ... <Tilmann> Now everything is just garbled together. <stefan> I seen. no one here has great interrest in uzi280. so i will put the source .. <stefan> onto a public file server and forget it.. <Tilmann> In any case, Stefan, you should get Bill Kibler a copy! ** <Helmut> is here. <andy_k> <TCJ> yes please.. Room 1, CP/M Discussions. Job State Room Sta GE Mail Name 1 TN 1 L BW.MILLER Beery 2 1 N H.JUNGKUNZ Helmut 3 CA 1 N B.KIBLER TCJ 5 MD 1 N PRESS-30 andy_k 6 MD 1 N GUEST-11 stefan 7 NV 1 N M.CRAFTON2 Michael Crafton 8 MD 1 N PRESS-40 Tilmann <Michael Crafton> Sorry, stefan, I don't have a Z280. :( <Helmut> Again: Hal Bower has offered to port OBERON to CP/M <Beery> Nor I. <Tilmann> What about getting a CPU280 ??? <stefan> thats a good answer not having a z280 <stefan> yes get one from tlmann <Helmut> Anyone interested in the OBERON? <Michael Crafton> OBERON? <stefan> OBERON ? well sounds nice also for uzi280 ? <TCJ> Tilman still some of the z280 pcbs available??? <andy_k> Oberon in which quality of implementation? all the stuff which's implemented on PCs? <Helmut> Yes, Niklas Wirth's latest language <Tilmann> Yes, I still have about 10 to 15 empty PCBs. <stefan> give me the source and maybe i will do it <Helmut> It is nearly ready, Stefan! <Tilmann> I also have some IDE interface boards and some HGT boards ... <TCJ> need to run an add/explaination about them.. <Helmut> Jay has one or two CPU280 boards left <Tilmann> (terminal boards) lying around here. <TCJ> seems people think they no longer available... <Helmut> Yes, publication is poor <Helmut> (/: <Tilmann> Don't think so. Jay got some boards after we published the CPU280 ... <Tilmann> in TCJ, and he still has some left over. <TCJ> Claudes z180 is getting interest as it is thought to be only new board around... <stefan> once more. is source of the oberon compiler available for an uzi port ? ** <Joerg> is here. <Tilmann> I think that OBERON is not just a language, but ... <andy_k> Hi Joerg <Tilmann> a complete operating system and environment... <Tilmann> So you won't be able to "port" it to UZI. <Joerg> Hi Andy <Helmut> Part of the parser is available <Tilmann> Hi Joerg! <andy_k> yes and a modular one too. <Joerg> Hi Tilmann <stefan> why not , tilmann ? <Helmut> It is all in a bokk by Wirth still <Helmut> Hallo Joerg <Tilmann> It's surely not written in C ! <Joerg> Hi Helmut, I got some problmes - no echo on my terminal!!! <andy_k> Helmut, not only in a book, the complete Oberon specification is also available as files. <stefan> written in what kind of language <Tilmann> Joerg, you must enable local echo. <Helmut> Joerg you have to turn it on (COMM?) <Tilmann> If you're using CMEX, enter terminal mode with 'L' instead of 'T'. <Helmut> Local ECHO ON! ** <andy_k> has left. <stefan> beside there is another Wirth language called Modula2... <stefan> it was sold by borland some time ago .. <Tilmann> There are some Modula compilers around there... <Tilmann> One of them is the Borland compiler, but ... <Tilmann> there were others too. <stefan> and was a german product. does anyone knows more about the author ? <TCJ> Sorry folks but must go back to LLama show..thanks for coming and have fun at trenton... <Helmut> Yes, Hal is using the Modula concept for compilation <stefan> I think the borland was the best one <Joerg> +++/stat <Tilmann> Perhw3aps we should aslkk Niklaus Wirth about this... <Tilmann> Joerg, enter /STAT without the +++. <Helmut> Tilmann, yes, that is the pint <Helmut> point <Tilmann> <G> <Michael Crafton> Ok, Bill <stefan> look here -> . <Joerg> +++/stat <Helmut> Stefan: what do I see? <Helmut> Joerg just enter /STAT <stefan> thats the poinrt <Helmut> on the beginning of the line <stefan> who has a z280 board around here ? <Tilmann> Yes, me of course! <Joerg> I try, but I can't - dont know why!? <Helmut> Helmut: CPU280, Ludo. CPU280 <Tilmann> Stefan and Andy too, I believe. <Joerg> AT S0=0 Q0 E1 X4 <Joerg> AT&C1 <Joerg> AT \Q1 %C1 <Tilmann> And Joerg of course! <TCJ> M200;2 <TCJ> BYE <Tilmann> Joerg, you're sending some rubbish data (sorry - garbage data)! <Michael Crafton> Bye Bill!!! <stefan> ok. lot of potentel uzi280 user i think <Tilmann> Bye Bill! <Helmut> Bye Bill <TCJ> ** <TCJ> disconnected. Room 1, CP/M Discussions. Job State Room Sta GE Mail Name 1 TN 1 L BW.MILLER Beery 2 1 N H.JUNGKUNZ Helmut 4 MD 1 N GUEST-3 Joerg 6 MD 1 N GUEST-11 stefan 7 NV 1 N M.CRAFTON2 Michael Crafton 8 MD 1 N PRESS-40 Tilmann <stefan> nothing to talk anymore ? <Tilmann> Ok, I think it's time to got to bed now... <stefan> to bed ??????? <Helmut> I'm talking all the time <Beery> It's still too early, it's not even 6pm where I am. <Tilmann> Yes, I've got to wake up early tomorrow (oops - today). <Helmut> Tilmann, anything I have to know when connecting <Helmut> the GIDE? <Tilmann> Here ist is 0:42, or 12:42 for you americans. ** <Andy_K> is here. <Helmut> I assume I just plug it in, connect the drive, compile the program <Helmut> and run it <Andy_K> now I#m back again <Tilmann> Plug it in the right direction :-) <Michael Crafton> It's 3:44 pm for me. :) <Helmut> Hi Andy, Halk Bower hat eine Frage an Dich! ** <Hal Bower> was <Helmut>. <Tilmann> First initialize the drive with the correct <Tilmann> parameters, then check for the READ ID command. <Andy_K> Hi Hal, what do you want to ask? <Hal Bower> HELMUT IS SRTILL LISTENING <Michael Crafton> Did Ian make it to Trenton? <Joerg> +++/stat <Hal Bower> I am trying to convert the Oberon source from Niklaus Wirth's book <Andy_K> Convert into what? <Hal Bower> into a multi-pass compiler to generate Z180 assembly source for Z-System <Hal Bower> The problem is that I am not an architect for a good intermediate language <Hal Bower> can you suggest a good starting point other than the NSC32000 object that Niklaus Wirth's compiler uses? <Joerg> ++++++/stat <Tilmann> I think there is an OBERON implementation for the PC also! <Joerg> +++/stat <Hal Bower> There are existing Oberon implementations for several systems. I have Oberon-PC running here on a 386 laptop, and Oberon for Windows at home, but None are available in source! <Tilmann> Joerg, try again to enter /STAT directly and alone in a line <Joerg> That's what I'm doing all the time. <Andy_K> hmm, a common used machine (like) language? I can look in my archives about Oberon sources. <Joerg> Habe ich auch schon gemerkt! <Andy_K> Normally for porting and language definition used systems are based on description <Tilmann> Joerg, there are 7 people around here, active at the moment <Hal Bower> Andy, I also have the Oberon-M stand-alone compiler from E.R.Videki, and have corresponded with him a couple of years ago, but he was unwilling to release source. <Tilmann> Beery Miller, Hal Bower, Stefan Nitschke, Michael Crafton, ... <Joerg> Thank you, Tilmann. <Andy_K> languages which could be ported via yacc/bison and lex/flex. <Michael Crafton> Just what is "OBERON" ? <Tilmann> Andy Kisslingeer, Tilmann Reh, and you. <Tilmann> Is there the complete structured language definition of Oberon ... <stefan> one question about OBERON. as far as i know it is a language .. <Tilmann> to feed into LEX / YACC? <stefan> for people who loves it to type as much letters as possible.. <Hal Bower> One of the biggest problems we face in the Z-World is that probably the best compiler was the Hochstrasser Modula-2 compiler, but the last release that Peter Hochstrasser released had a bug, and he cannot be found. <Andy_K> OBERON is the language/operating system project the Group around Niklaus Wirth after MODULA. <Joerg> I'm a little bit late, because I had some problems with my modem (semms like <Joerg> I have them still). <stefan> shure OBERON comes after modula2 <Tilmann> Stefan, do you have (or access to) the c't magazine? <stefan> yes of course <Andy_K> I can look now into my archives. But i've to disconnect then for a while. I'm assuming you're <Tilmann> There was an article about PC OBERON some time ago... <Andy_K> talking again for a while ;-) <Andy_K> O-O <Hal Bower> Helmut says: I bought the c't on my trip it is here ** <Andy_K> has left. <Tilmann> t( <Tilmann> Ok, I wish a good night to you all here in Europe, ... <Tilmann> and a nice evening to you at the Festival or in the USA. <stefan> good night Tilmann <Beery> Thanks for dropping by Tilmann <Joerg> Good night, Tilmann. <Tilmann> Thanks for the press account, Beery! ** <Helmut> was <Hal Bower>. <Michael Crafton> Bye Tilmann <Beery> No problem Tilmann, thanks to Helmut for suggesting it. <Beery> (for all those that did make it). <Helmut> Bye Tilmann, I'll send you mail! <Tilmann> One last question, Helmut? <Tilmann> None - ok, good luck! <Helmut> No, I think we can handle it will just establish the YASBEC format for 22disk <Helmut> Just defined the Vortex format for the YASBEC lasdt nite <Tilmann> Ok, over. ** <Tilmann> has left. <Helmut> <Helmut> Joerg, how are things in Eastern Germany? <stefan> ok people it's late here so good night <Helmut> Stefan, see you! <Michael Crafton> Ok, stefan, good night!! <Joerg> Oh, very well. Our meeting 2 weeks ago was very successfull! <Helmut> Any news from Uli Staimer? ** <stefan> has left. <Helmut> You had no problems demonstrating the gIDE?? <Joerg> 28 member of our club came to Gusow an 2 guests. <Helmut> Very amazing, we are impressed! <Helmut> But it is also very informative seeing what the CP/M scene is really like <Helmut> over her in the US <Joerg> The GIDE exists only by Tilmann (Beta-tests???) <Helmut> ANdy, could you call Uli to see if he forgot? 0821/993104 <Helmut> Joerg?? <Joerg> Yes, I'm here. <Michael Crafton> Helmut, how did the GIDE demostration go there in Trenton? <Helmut> What do you want to say, Joerg? <Helmut> Michael, we have not started Room 1, CP/M Discussions. Job State Room Sta GE Mail Name 1 TN 1 L BW.MILLER Beery 2 1 N H.JUNGKUNZ Helmut 4 MD 1 N GUEST-3 Joerg 7 NV 1 N M.CRAFTON2 Michael Crafton <Beery> <Joerg> I forgot it... <Helmut> You said the GIDE exists only by Tilmann ... <Beery> I'm going to step away from the computer for a little bit, but I am going to keep my log capture on. If I don't see you folks for a little while, thanks for dropping by tonight. <Joerg> Yes, he told me, that now enough interest exists. So, it soon will be produced. <Michael Crafton> Ok, Beery! <Helmut> Beery, we might want to run out soon for the anchove pizza eating contest <Joerg> How many "Z-Freaks" are in Trenton? <Michael Crafton> And ruin a good pizza! :) <Beery> I already won that one tonight. <Helmut> Well there is only the hard-core here at the Hotel, because it is far to travel <Beery> 2 Pizza's, 10 minutes. <Beery> <g>. <Helmut> from the show <Beery> Ah, ok. <Helmut> So that leaves about 10 people <Beery> OK, i'll go on and close my log then. <Beery> Thanks for setting everything up Helmut/Jay. Very much appreciated. <Helmut> Anyway, I am very happy to that some of you guys showed up and did not make <Helmut> me feel ashamed <Helmut> Well, it ought to have been 8 people from germany ... <Joerg> Last weekend, in Kronach, I stand only a day. The most Club-80 members were gone home. <Helmut> Three, is probably a typical percentage <Michael Crafton> Maybe some had trouble connecting from Germany? <Beery> That could be the problem. <Helmut> Well, how many people were there in Kronach? <Beery> It was difficult enough getting Helmut connected when he first came onboard. <Helmut> I think, some forgot to pick up their accounts in time ... <Joerg> On Sunday: about 10 to 12 people. <Helmut> Okay, so that tells me I didn't miss anything